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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 11:37:34 GMT
A handout before I was born did not benefit me. I grew up in the same neighborhood as the black kids. No handout there. I went to the same school as the black kids. One of the principals at my high school that dealt with discipline was a black man with a picture on his wall of a man that leads a group that is listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center and was known for saying “white man is the devil.” I went to the same public colleges as the black people and had the same access to financial aid. I have worked among and under many black people. I live on a road where both whites and blacks own property. We’re all here trying to survive regardless of what circumstances got our DNA donors here. Wrong. A handout given to your parents that helped them you benefitted from. I've heard whites tell your story a million times Ray, but this issue is bigger than you. I don't consider the NOI a hate group because they would not exist if it wasn't for the racism whites have imposed on black people. There is a difference between that and a belief in the imaginary superiority of your race. The picture of Malcolm X or Farrakhan your principal had means nothing. Do you know why they said the white man is the devil or do you want to pretend they just said that about whites for no reason? If your family lived in a black nrighborhood it was probably by choice. Blacks generally didn't have that choice. The fact remains no matter how much you obfuscate, whites in America have been the recipients of most of the handouts and whites have what they do because of legislation. I am talking big picture not the wallet size photo you want to use to argue about what you believe you didn't get. Wrong again. There were not handouts given to my parents that were not available to anybody. Even among the white devils, not everyone is college material. Some are among the working class. My mother worked as a civilian for the U.S. Navy and my father was a certified mechanic for Honda motorcycles. Both worked among black people. As for the neighborhood, in the 70s (before my time) it was a new and mostly white neighborhood. When I was a child in the 90s, that neighborhood was becoming increasingly non-white. There was an influx of urban blacks due to the gentrification of SE Washington D.C. Ironically, many of the townhomes and duplexes became known as “HUD houses” and were occupied by black people (a handout). I am not saying that a white person would not have qualified for that handout. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 11:40:05 GMT
Of course it is. Your profile picture indicates that you are enamored by the teachings of Malcolm X. You would prefer a separate nation from white people which explains why you are triggered by an image of children living Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream. My picture is not of a man who wants a separate nation. You don't know about Malcolm X and all you know about King is one sentence. I am not triggered by a picture of children playing. Malcolm X eventually disavowed the Nation of Islam and it's teaching. He went to Mecca and discovered Muslims were of all races and not just black. So at that point he rejected the NOI and formed his own organization the OAU. He then declared that he would work with anyone of any race who were interested in changing the condition of blacks in America. Whites such as yourself miss that part of Malcolm to talk stupid. Letter from Mecca Malcolm X April, 1964 Never have I witnessed such sincere hospitality and overwhelming spirit of true brotherhood as is practiced by people of all colors and races here in this Ancient Holy Land, the home of Abraham, Muhammad and all the other Prophets of the Holy Scriptures. For the past week, I have been utterly speechless and spellbound by the graciousness I see displayed all around me by people of all colors. I have been blessed to visit the Holy City of Mecca. I have made my seven circuits around the Ka'ba, led by a young Mutawaf named Muhammad. I drank water from the well of the Zam Zam. I ran seven times back and forth between the hills of Mt. Al-Safa and Al-Marwah. I have prayed in the ancient city of Mina, and I have prayed on Mt. Arafat. There were tens of thousands of pilgrims, from all over the world. They were of all colors, from blue-eyed blonds to black-skinned Africans. But we were all participating in the same ritual, displaying a spirit of unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had led me to believe never could exist between the white and non-white. America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem. Throughout my travels in the Muslim world, I have met, talked to, and even eaten with people who in America would have been considered 'white'--but the 'white' attitude was removed from their minds by the religion of Islam. I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together, irrespective of their color. You may be shocked by these words coming from me. But on this pilgrimage, what I have seen, and experienced, has forced me to re-arrange much of my thought-patterns previously held, and to toss aside some of my previous conclusions. This was not too difficult for me. Despite my firm convictions, I have always been a man who tries to face facts, and to accept the reality of life as new experience and new knowledge unfolds it. I have always kept an open mind, which is necessary to the flexibility that must go hand in hand with every form of intelligent search for truth. During the past eleven days here in the Muslim world, I have eaten from the same plate, from the same glass, and slept in the same bed (or on the same rug)--while praying to the same God--with fellow Muslims, whose eyes were the bluest of blue, whose hair was the blondest of blond, and whose skin was the whitest of white. And in the words and in the actions in the deeds of the 'white' Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that I felt among the black African Muslims of Nigeria, Sudan, and Ghana. We were truly all the same (brothers)--because their belief in one God had removed the white from their minds, the white from their behavior, and the white from their attitude. I could see from this, that perhaps if white Americans could accept the Oneness of God, then perhaps, too, they could accept in reality the Oneness of Man--and cease to measure, and hinder, and harm others in terms of their 'differences' in color. With racism plaguing America like an incurable cancer, the so-called 'Christian' white American heart should be more receptive to a proven solution to such a destructive problem. Perhaps it could be in time to save America from imminent disaster--the same destruction brought upon Germany by racism that eventually destroyed the Germans themselves. Each hour here in the Holy Land enables me to have greater spiritual insights into what is happening in America between black and white. The American Negro never can be blamed for his racial animosities--he is only reacting to four hundred years of the conscious racism of the American whites. But as racism leads America up the suicide path, I do believe, from the experiences that I have had with them, that the whites of the younger generation, in the colleges and universities, will see the handwriting on the walls and many of them will turn to the spiritual path of truth--the only way left to America to ward off the disaster that racism inevitably must lead to. Never have I been so highly honored. Never have I been made to feel more humble and unworthy. Who would believe the blessings that have been heaped upon an American Negro? A few nights ago, a man who would be called in America a 'white' man, a United Nations diplomat, an ambassador, a companion of kings, gave me his hotel suite, his bed. ... Never would I have even thought of dreaming that I would ever be a recipient of such honors--honors that in America would be bestowed upon a King--not a Negro. All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of all the Worlds. Sincerely, El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz (Malcolm X) www.malcolm-x.org/docs/let_mecca.htmThe only thing you know about King is one sentence disingenuously repeated over and over and over by right wing idiots. We do not live in that America now and that's what I am fighting for. The real dream is not the one you imagine has been achieved. Because even King recognized that his dream was nowhere close to going on before he died. So your comment was not just stupid, it was ignorant. ”Malcolm spent his adolescence living in a series of foster homes or with relatives after his father's death and his mother's hospitalization. He engaged in several illicit activities, eventually being sentenced to 10 years in prison in 1946 for larceny and breaking and entering. In prison, he joined the Nation of Islam, adopted the name Malcolm X (to symbolize his unknown African ancestral surname), and quickly became one of the organization's most influential leaders after being paroled in 1952. Malcolm X then served as the public face of the organization for a dozen years, where he advocated for Black empowerment, and the separation of black and white Americans, and publicly criticized the mainstream civil rights movement for its emphasis on nonviolence and racial integration.[2][3] Malcolm X also expressed pride in some of the Nation's social welfare achievements, such as its free drug rehabilitation program. Throughout his life, beginning in the 1950s, Malcolm X endured surveillance from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). In the 1960s, Malcolm X began to grow disillusioned with the Nation of Islam, as well as with its leader Elijah Muhammad. He subsequently embraced Sunni Islam and the civil rights movement after completing the Hajj to Mecca, and became known as el-Hajj Malik el-Shabazz. After a brief period of travel across Africa, he publicly renounced the Nation of Islam and founded the Islamic Muslim Mosque, Inc. (MMI) and the Pan-African Organization of Afro-American Unity (OAAU). Throughout 1964, his conflict with the Nation of Islam intensified, and he was repeatedly sent death threats. On February 21, 1965, he was assassinated in New York City. Three Nation members were charged with the murder and given indeterminate life sentences. Speculation about the assassination and whether it was conceived or aided by leading or additional members of the Nation, or with law enforcement agencies, have persisted for decades after the shooting.” |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 12:39:59 GMT
Wrong. A handout given to your parents that helped them you benefitted from. I've heard whites tell your story a million times Ray, but this issue is bigger than you. I don't consider the NOI a hate group because they would not exist if it wasn't for the racism whites have imposed on black people. There is a difference between that and a belief in the imaginary superiority of your race. The picture of Malcolm X or Farrakhan your principal had means nothing. Do you know why they said the white man is the devil or do you want to pretend they just said that about whites for no reason? If your family lived in a black nrighborhood it was probably by choice. Blacks generally didn't have that choice. The fact remains no matter how much you obfuscate, whites in America have been the recipients of most of the handouts and whites have what they do because of legislation. I am talking big picture not the wallet size photo you want to use to argue about what you believe you didn't get. Wrong again. There were not handouts given to my parents that were not available to anybody. Even among the white devils, not everyone is college material. Some are among the working class. My mother worked as a civilian for the U.S. Navy and my father was a certified mechanic for Honda motorcycles. Both worked among black people. As for the neighborhood, in the 70s (before my time) it was a new and mostly white neighborhood. When I was a child in the 90s, that neighborhood was becoming increasingly non-white. There was an influx of urban blacks due to the gentrification of SE Washington D.C. Ironically, many of the townhomes and duplexes became known as “HUD houses” and were occupied by black people (a handout). I am not saying that a white person would not have qualified for that handout. You can drop that nonsense about white devils. Your attempt a snark shows that you're a silly young man who has been brainwashed by right wing propaganda even as you claim not to be so. I lived in the 70's and 90's and again what you say just is not 100 percent accurate. HUD housing are not handouts and across America millions of whites are on hud. Now the fact is I showed you things whites have been given since 1618. Whites in America have indeed been given far more than anyone else. Now since I was alive during the days you weren't around, instead of you trying to tell me how things you never saw could not happen, perhaps it's just better for you to accept the reality that working class or any other class of whites are allowed things blacks are not. It's not about going to college and you need to understand that just because something is written on paper doesn't mean that what's written is equally applied to everyone. You talk about gentrification and yet you can't see that. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 12:43:36 GMT
My picture is not of a man who wants a separate nation. You don't know about Malcolm X and all you know about King is one sentence. I am not triggered by a picture of children playing. Malcolm X eventually disavowed the Nation of Islam and it's teaching. He went to Mecca and discovered Muslims were of all races and not just black. So at that point he rejected the NOI and formed his own organization the OAU. He then declared that he would work with anyone of any race who were interested in changing the condition of blacks in America. Whites such as yourself miss that part of Malcolm to talk stupid. Letter from Mecca Malcolm X April, 1964 Never have I witnessed such sincere hospitality and overwhelming spirit of true brotherhood as is practiced by people of all colors and races here in this Ancient Holy Land, the home of Abraham, Muhammad and all the other Prophets of the Holy Scriptures. For the past week, I have been utterly speechless and spellbound by the graciousness I see displayed all around me by people of all colors. I have been blessed to visit the Holy City of Mecca. I have made my seven circuits around the Ka'ba, led by a young Mutawaf named Muhammad. I drank water from the well of the Zam Zam. I ran seven times back and forth between the hills of Mt. Al-Safa and Al-Marwah. I have prayed in the ancient city of Mina, and I have prayed on Mt. Arafat. There were tens of thousands of pilgrims, from all over the world. They were of all colors, from blue-eyed blonds to black-skinned Africans. But we were all participating in the same ritual, displaying a spirit of unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had led me to believe never could exist between the white and non-white. America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem. Throughout my travels in the Muslim world, I have met, talked to, and even eaten with people who in America would have been considered 'white'--but the 'white' attitude was removed from their minds by the religion of Islam. I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together, irrespective of their color. You may be shocked by these words coming from me. But on this pilgrimage, what I have seen, and experienced, has forced me to re-arrange much of my thought-patterns previously held, and to toss aside some of my previous conclusions. This was not too difficult for me. Despite my firm convictions, I have always been a man who tries to face facts, and to accept the reality of life as new experience and new knowledge unfolds it. I have always kept an open mind, which is necessary to the flexibility that must go hand in hand with every form of intelligent search for truth. During the past eleven days here in the Muslim world, I have eaten from the same plate, from the same glass, and slept in the same bed (or on the same rug)--while praying to the same God--with fellow Muslims, whose eyes were the bluest of blue, whose hair was the blondest of blond, and whose skin was the whitest of white. And in the words and in the actions in the deeds of the 'white' Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that I felt among the black African Muslims of Nigeria, Sudan, and Ghana. We were truly all the same (brothers)--because their belief in one God had removed the white from their minds, the white from their behavior, and the white from their attitude. I could see from this, that perhaps if white Americans could accept the Oneness of God, then perhaps, too, they could accept in reality the Oneness of Man--and cease to measure, and hinder, and harm others in terms of their 'differences' in color. With racism plaguing America like an incurable cancer, the so-called 'Christian' white American heart should be more receptive to a proven solution to such a destructive problem. Perhaps it could be in time to save America from imminent disaster--the same destruction brought upon Germany by racism that eventually destroyed the Germans themselves. Each hour here in the Holy Land enables me to have greater spiritual insights into what is happening in America between black and white. The American Negro never can be blamed for his racial animosities--he is only reacting to four hundred years of the conscious racism of the American whites. But as racism leads America up the suicide path, I do believe, from the experiences that I have had with them, that the whites of the younger generation, in the colleges and universities, will see the handwriting on the walls and many of them will turn to the spiritual path of truth--the only way left to America to ward off the disaster that racism inevitably must lead to. Never have I been so highly honored. Never have I been made to feel more humble and unworthy. Who would believe the blessings that have been heaped upon an American Negro? A few nights ago, a man who would be called in America a 'white' man, a United Nations diplomat, an ambassador, a companion of kings, gave me his hotel suite, his bed. ... Never would I have even thought of dreaming that I would ever be a recipient of such honors--honors that in America would be bestowed upon a King--not a Negro. All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of all the Worlds. Sincerely, El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz (Malcolm X) www.malcolm-x.org/docs/let_mecca.htmThe only thing you know about King is one sentence disingenuously repeated over and over and over by right wing idiots. We do not live in that America now and that's what I am fighting for. The real dream is not the one you imagine has been achieved. Because even King recognized that his dream was nowhere close to going on before he died. So your comment was not just stupid, it was ignorant. ”Malcolm spent his adolescence living in a series of foster homes or with relatives after his father's death and his mother's hospitalization. He engaged in several illicit activities, eventually being sentenced to 10 years in prison in 1946 for larceny and breaking and entering. In prison, he joined the Nation of Islam, adopted the name Malcolm X (to symbolize his unknown African ancestral surname), and quickly became one of the organization's most influential leaders after being paroled in 1952. Malcolm X then served as the public face of the organization for a dozen years, where he advocated for Black empowerment, and the separation of black and white Americans, and publicly criticized the mainstream civil rights movement for its emphasis on nonviolence and racial integration.[2][3] Malcolm X also expressed pride in some of the Nation's social welfare achievements, such as its free drug rehabilitation program. Throughout his life, beginning in the 1950s, Malcolm X endured surveillance from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). In the 1960s, Malcolm X began to grow disillusioned with the Nation of Islam, as well as with its leader Elijah Muhammad. He subsequently embraced Sunni Islam and the civil rights movement after completing the Hajj to Mecca, and became known as el-Hajj Malik el-Shabazz. After a brief period of travel across Africa, he publicly renounced the Nation of Islam and founded the Islamic Muslim Mosque, Inc. (MMI) and the Pan-African Organization of Afro-American Unity (OAAU). Throughout 1964, his conflict with the Nation of Islam intensified, and he was repeatedly sent death threats. On February 21, 1965, he was assassinated in New York City. Three Nation members were charged with the murder and given indeterminate life sentences. Speculation about the assassination and whether it was conceived or aided by leading or additional members of the Nation, or with law enforcement agencies, have persisted for decades after the shooting.”Ray, I was alive when Malocom lived. I don't need you a person who was not even thought about yet telling me anout Malcolm. So young man, try learning instead of running your mouth. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 12:45:58 GMT
I can’t take you seriously when you talk about “white devils.” You are indeed bitter and jealous Ray is young man. He's learning things we learned 40 years ago. I was fighting white racism while Ray was drinking formula. I know what I am talking about. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 12:50:27 GMT
Ray is young man. He's learning things we learned 40 years ago. I was fighting white racism while Ray was drinking formula. I know what I am ta;king about. I am apparently supposed to say Talking Not ta;king Yeah, I see the typo. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 12:58:55 GMT
I’m sick of poseurs here saying that I treat you differently because WE ARE FRIENDS I don't have a problem with you correcting my typos. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 13:19:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 13:53:06 GMT
You would know sentences end with periods.  Go lick a possum Maybe a fat one Some MLS, doesn't even know basic punctuation.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 13:57:16 GMT
Hold your breath.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 13:59:31 GMT
So you’re SCARED? I knew it The only one scared is you. Ignorance is that way. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 14:03:21 GMT
You dumb hick Scared of your punk arse? I laughed so loud that I scared our dogs So you are scared, I thought so. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 14:09:18 GMT
Hitting that moonshine again? 100 proof? Drunks are smarter than you are. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 16:44:19 GMT
From its inception, the country’s legal foundations, political architecture, and civic fabric were designed to privilege the well-being of those who declared themselves white at the expense of Native Americans, African Americans, and other people of color. Generation after generation, as the baldest tactics were challenged, white America creatively renewed and reworked this pact to protect ourselves from political disempowerment, economic uncertainty, legal jeopardy, and physical violence. When the weight of the blood spilled by over 750,000 Americans shattered outright slavery, white America picked up the shards, fashioning them into a ramshackle but effective system of sharecropping, lynching, convict leasing, segregationist Jim Crow laws, restrictive immigration policies, appeals to “states’ rights,” voter suppression, and mass incarceration.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 17:23:45 GMT
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